NAMES WITH SL NO 41 TO 60

41-EDWARD VIII

(King of United Kingdom who was abdicated)

On Tuesday, 25 June 1929, there was a discussion about an editorial in the Times of India regarding the "Bachelor Prince" of Wales, who later became King Edward VIII. Earlier, on 6 June, Baba had commented that the Prince had a very good heart. (Baba even revealed that he had been an Indian in his previous life.) On the 25th, Baba made some further appreciative remarks about him, saying, "He has a good character for a man of his position and surroundings. He has a past connection with me and will join me."

The mandali could only wonder silently, "But when?"

Baba continued, "I like heroes such as Napoleon and Shivaji; they were never cowards. Napoleon was courageous till the last. Alexander [the Great] was brave, also. Emperor Akbar was brave, but not as brave as Shivaji. Even when the situation was hopeless, these leaders did not run away. That is good. That is bravery. One must fight till the last, do or die!"

In England, a scandal was brewing when the King of England, Edward VIII, was revealed to be having an affair with Wallis Warfield Simpson, an American suing her husband for divorce. On 6th December 1936, Baba remarked that it would be good on part of the king to give up his crown to marry the woman the professed to love, rather than prove false to his promise to marry her. “That would ba real mardi (heroic act),” Baba stated.

King Edward VIII had abdicated the British throne to marry Willis Simpson, - His younger brother, George VI, was being crowned king in Westminster listened to the coronation ceremony on B. B. C. Radio.

Baba said,” Edward VIII has a past connection with Me and will join Me.”

“He lived at the time of Shivaji”

  

42-ERNST LUBITSCH

(Hollywood Film Star)

On Thursday, 2nd June 1932, in the evening Baba, Meredith, Chanji and Quentin were driven to Santa Monica by director and producer Ernest Lubitsch, a “very fine and sincere man,” and had tea with him at his house.

 

43-FIROZ SHAH MEHTA

(Political Leader)

While discussing politics with the women, Baba commented:

There are three types of souls — man, saint and God-Man. The saints are higher than men, and the God-Man higher than saints.

Among men, Gandhi is surely one of the greatest today. Some call him a mahatma, and some call him a fool. He has his weaknesses, but he is a great soul. (Gopal Krishna) Gokhale, (Lokmanya) Tilak and Pheroz Shah Mehta were the pillars of Indian politics. All three were great, but Tilak was the greatest of them all. In politics, Gandhi was his disciple.

44-GABRIEL PASCAL

(Movie Producer & Director)

During September 1950, the movie director Gabriel Pascal had come to India for a week to peruse his idea of making a film on the life of Mahatma Gandhi. He was interested producing a film about Meher Baba’s life, now that plans for Baba’s own film ideas had been dropped. Adi senior talked with him at Ashiyana (house of Chanji in Bombay), but Pascal wanted to meet Baba personally. Pascal was informed of new life instructions, and he duly promised not to broach the subject of films or money-business in Baba’s presence.

Baba met Pascal at Ashiyana on 12th September, 1950. Baba lovingly remarked, “You are My Phoenix! You were with Me for several incarnations. I will you to fulfil My mission in the West. Your career will soar higher than ever before.

Pascal asked about silence, and Baba spelled out on the alphabet board, “The time is near when I will break My silence and utter the word.”

Pascal was overjoyed to see Baba, and later told his wife, “Merely being with Baba had given me back my vitality.” A true genius, Pascal had suffered a depression during this period; however, he was never able to fulfil his dream of making a film about Baba.

45-GHALIB

Poet

On 24 September 1961, about 70 Baba lovers from Ahmednagar reached Meherazad on invitation. All had gathered in the Meherazad compound wall, after which Baba met everyone individually, the women first then the men. Baba asked Rustom Kaka to sing first a Hindi song he had dictated to Bhau, which Rustom had put to music. More songs by Bhau followed, and a poem of Francis Brabazon's in English, which Rustom Kaka played in Indian strains.

At one point Baba interrupted the singing to allow Professor Abdul Karim Khan of Ahmednagar College to recite his Urdu lines in praise of Baba. Baba advised Rustom Kaka to put the lines to music in the form of a ghazal, and he had two records of Saigal's and Ghalib's ghazals played to give Rustom an idea of what he meant.

Afterward, Baba related this incident: "(Although a Muslim), Ghalib was a regular wine drinker and had once fallen down in a street so drunk that he was arrested and brought to the court. The magistrate coincidentally happened to be his disciple, who imposed a fine on Ghalib but paid it out of his own pocket. There upon Ghalib stated:

We were taking loans and spending on drink

But we knew someday our penniless state would be exposed.

Baba had dictated these two lines of Ghalib's to Bhau.

Baba then called Rajan Tiwari, a nine-year-old boy, before him and motioned to him to recite this couplet of Ghalib's:

Ghalib! Beware before entering the Maikhana (Tavern)!

Here, if one is not careful, the turban is whisked off one's head [one's ego is crushed]!

46-GENERAL SAM MANECKSHAW

Ex. Field Marshal of India

General Sam Maneckshaw was the war veteran who later went on to become the Field Marshal of India. He later led India to victory in wars against Pakistan and played a crucial role in freeing Bangladesh.

General Sam Maneckshaw (from Parsi Community) came to know about Meher Baba through Baba’s ringleader Gulabdas Nathubhai Panchal in Bombay, in year 1955. The incident in brief is written as under:

Gulab das Panchal had joined Home Guards as cadet in 1955. In a parade General Maneckshaw was the chief guest and all newly recruited cadets of Home Guards standing in a line to be greeted by the general. When general saw Gulabdas Panchal, he stopped and asked the cadet, are you a Parsi? The cadet replied, “No sir, but my guru is a Parsi (minority community in India even then). General Maneckshaw shook hands with Gulabdas also and moved on.” This attracted the attention of everyone in the parade.

In those days, trams ran all over Bombay a choice of commuting for employed middle class. Politically motivated riot broke between two communities–Marathi speaking and Gujrati speaking people. After this riot broke out, there was tram strike that disrupted the city transport. Panchal had also learnt to drive tram therefore he was given the duty to run the tram during strike. One day he went to run the tram from Tardeo. He did not know that the tram he was driving was also faulty. The brakes were sabotaged in the night. While running downhill he applied break but to no effect. To his horror, he saw in front of him a cart full of soda bottles on the approach road. Tram collided with cart with big bang and a fatal accident occurred. The man driving the cart died on the spot. Police came to the spot of accident. Since Panchal was driving the tram police thought it a deliberate act on part of driver and he was hauled into police jeep.  Panchal quietly sat in the police jeep.  As police jeep moved on way to police station another jeep from opposite direction. The man in navigation seat was General Maneckshaw. He looked at Panchal and asked him quietly hop on to his jeep. The police let him to go into that jeep. The General had recognized the cadet who had said he had a Parsi guru. Panchal ji jumped out of the police jeep to General’s jeep. The general took him to his home. He was given breakfast and he asked him to rest in the bedroom. But Panchal ji could not rest. He wondered if he would be responsible for killing the cart owner. Later General personally drove his jeep with Panchal ji to the Churhgate station. He saw the cadet off till he entered an Andheri local train. He stood on the platform till the train left the station.

One is bound to think there must have been a reason why Maneckshaw singled out Gulab Das on parade ground. He saved him from the great disaster. Only Meher Baba had foreseen it.

47 GIRI.V. V.

(Ex. president of India)

A programme of silence Anniversary of Avatar Meher Baba was observed from 1st to 9th July 1967, at the community hall, Sarojini Nagar, under the chairmanship of Shri. C. M. Poonacha, Minister of Minister of Steel. The Vice President of India Shri V.V. Giri inaugurated the function by garlanding the picture of Avatar Meher Baba. Following Message of Baba was read out by W. D. Kain.

“My love and blessings to all assembled to mark forty-second year of My Silence STOP Convey My blessings to chairman and speakers of all young and old who actively participate in Silence Anniversary Programme STOP I bind Myself with Silence that when I break it mankind will realise what real freedom is.”- Meher Baba.

48-GIRME K. T.

Ex. Deputy Speaker of the Maharashtra Assembly,

Another function on centenary of Sassoon General Hospital Poona was held on 9 December to unveil a marble plaque bearing an inscription of Baba's birth date, which had been installed on the outside wall of the hospital building where Baba was born, due in large part to Jalbhai's efforts. Chhagan recited the Master's Prayer in Hindi and K. T. Grime, the deputy speaker of the Maharashtra assembly, unveiled the plaque on which was written in both English and Marathi:

AVATAR MEHER BABA WAS BORN

IN SASSOON GENERAL HOSPITALS

ON 25TH FEBRUARY 1894

Baba's donation to the hospital was presented at this time and then Adi gave a talk.

 

49-GOPAL KRISHNA GOKHLE

(Indian Political Leader)

While discussing politics with the women, Baba commented:

There are three types of souls — man, saint and God-Man. The saints are higher than men, and the God-Man higher than saints.

Among men, Gandhi is surely one of the greatest today. Some call him a mahatma, and some call him a fool. He has his weaknesses, but he is a great soul. (Gopal Krishna) Gokhale, (Lokmanya) Tilak and Pheroz Shah Mehta were the pillars of Indian politics. All three were great, but Tilak was the greatest of them all. In politics, Gandhi was his disciple.

50-GHOSH PIRAMAL

Ex. Minister of State for Railway of India

In July 1966, bro. Aloba received a letter from his friend Dr. J. Mehrabanpur of Shiraj, a great devotee of Meher Baba who had earlier visited India with a team of lovers from Iran and had Baba’s darshan. He stayed that Dr. Z. Ghorban, Vice Chancellor; Pahlavi University of Shiraj was coming to New Delhi to attend a conference on Medical Education. And that He was much eager to see Meher Baba and also contact some Baba lovers. His grandson had got an attack of paralysis since last two years. Dr J. M. gave him Baba’s photo to love it, concentrate on it, and repeat Baba’s name. Their Ayah stated that “last night when the child was restless, they just put Baba’s photo under pillow and the child had a comfortable night.”

Adi K. Irani, secretary for Baba from Ahmednagar forwarded a letter to W. D. Kain in Delhi and telegraphed the contact no of Sh. W.D. Kain to Dr. Z. Ghorban in Shiraj. As soon as Dr. Ghorban (pronounced as Qurban in English) arrived in New Delhi, Sh. W.D. Kain contacted him at Hotel Oberoi International. Sh. Kain talked to him about Baba’s   teachings over a cup of tea and also gave him some books on Baba. In return Dr. Ghorban gave to Sh. Kain a copy of History of Iran.

 

51-GOVIND DAS

(Ex. Member of Parliament)

On December, 30th, a member of parliament in Delhi, named Seth Govindas, arrived in Meherazad with Amiya Kumar Hazra. Hazra was an old lover, who availed himself of every opportunity of Baba’s darshan with his family. Govindas came to know about Meher Baba through Hazra.

Govindas’ son, who was a government minister in the Madhya Pradesh cabinet, had recently expired, and Govindas was sad and miserable over the death. (Some people consider it a malediction to have a child die before the parents.)

Govindas pleaded before Baba, “I want peace.”

Baba replied, “I will surely give you peace; but come to Poona in May.”

“Will I not have peace until then?”

“It will come gradually; but in Poona, you will feel it completely.”

“Where is my son, Baba?”

“He is with me.”

“I have no faith in God!”

“Who has faith in Him? If one had faith in God, what would there be to worry about? Everything happens according to His will, and once faith is born, there is no question of our existence or our passing away.”

Govindas was highly impressed with his meeting, but due to illness was unable to attend the darshan in Poona in 1965. Later, when he recovered he requested darshan, but being in seclusion Baba did not grant it. .

 

 

 52- GOVINDA MENON P,

(Ex. Minister of Law Govt. of India)

A cell organised function to celebrate the 42nd silence anniversary (on 25 July, 1967) of Meher Baba was organised at Faridabad under the Chairmanship of Shri P. Govind Menon, Minister of Law, who made a very touching speech throwing light on the teachings of Meher Baba and importance of silence observed by him. W.D. Kain gave a brief outline of early school days of Baba and His contact with five Perfect Masters. He asked the audience not to lose time in running up to catch the “daman” of Meher Baba. Shri T. N. Dhar thanked   the audience for having responded to invitation of this sammelan. The Avatar Meher Singing Group, led by Kusum, Prabha, Pushpa and Vinod presented a devotional music. Sardar Amar Singh Saigal, MP recited the Parvardigar Prayer and Prayer of Repentance, followed by Arti and a buffet dinner hosted by Sri & Smt. B.G. Malhotra.

 

 

 53-GULJARI LAL NANDA

Ex. Union Minister of Home Govt. of India

In October 1964, Dr. Bool Chandra Desai General secretary of Third world religious conference invited Shri. W. D. Kain to be member of reception committee, he accepted being a noble cause. He wrote to Baba about it and Eruch informed him that Baba has no objection to his lovers participating in it at the conference in Delhi next year.

At the executive Committee meeting of W.R.C. a list of persons to be invited was drawn and Shri. W. D. Kain gave a list 85 delegates and 25 speakers including Adi. K. Irani and others senior Baba lovers. The Third World Religious Conference, which had been sponsored by Muni Shushil Kumarji, was held in Ram Lila Grounds. New Delhi from 26th to 28th February 1965.

The Inaugural session started in the afternoon, with Prayers of All Religions by various representatives of societies /Associations etc. On behalf of Avatar Meher Baba centre, Sardar Amar Singh Saigal recited the Parvardigar or Master’s Prayer. Shri Guljari Lal Nanda was in the chair.

On 28th February, Shri Guljari Lal Nanda, in his presidential address, said that it has been this country’s tradition to call such conferences and discuss religious and theosophical problems.

54-HITLER

(Political Leader of Germany

Baba was in a good mood the following day, December 13th, (1941) and reflected on the present world condition and parts played by different leaders:

Hitler plays the greatest part of all roles. His name will remain immortal for centuries. He plays a double role of hero and villain simultaneously, and so marvelously, in spite of such a burden of worries that would make anyone else crazy, and as well as being surrounded by enemies and spies that endangered his life every moment. He would have been assassinated already, but for God's will, to enable him to play the role assigned, which he plays so creditably. Due to this divine sight on him, a sincere belief and strong conviction are created in him so that whatever he does he thinks is for the betterment and good of humanity, and is therefore right no matter how wrong it is.

Someone interrupted asking, "Does this mean he is an agent of the spiritual hierarchy?"

He is not an agent of mine, but an actor – perfect in playing the role ordained. What organizing powers he has! Look at his achievements. Fighting all alone against the whole world, against such formidable enemies as Britain, Russia and now America. Truly great!

But, on the other side, he is a fool and a madman. His colleagues – Goebbels, Goering – are hopeless and vicious. They have dragged him down. (Footnote: Paul Joseph Gobbles (1897-1945) was head of Nazi propaganda and called master-mind of the "big lie." Hermann Wilhelm Goering (1893-1945) was the general head of Germany's Gestapo (secret police) and air military forces. Both men were notorious sadists and both committed suicide.)

55-HUKUM SINGH S.

Ex. Lok Sabha Speaker Govt. of India

The 70th Birthday of Meher Baba was celebrated at Constitution Club, New Delhi, on 25th February 1964 at 5 p. m.  This was inaugurated by Shri. S. Hukum Singh, speaker Lok Sabha. Shri Amar Singh Saigal read out the following messages of Meher Baba received on this occasion.

“The aim of life is to love God.”

“The Goal of life is to become one with God.”

“The surest and quickest way to achieve to achieve this goal is to hold on to My daman by loving Me more and more.”

“I have suffered much and will have to suffer much more till I break My silence”

I give My love to My Lovers.”-Meher Baba

A booklet entitled “Seventy flowers” compiled By W. D. Kain was released. This was later sent to Baba by his lovers all over India and to U.K. USA and Australia.

 

 56-INDIRA GANDHI

(Ex. Prime Minister of India)

On Sunday, October 8th, (1967) as desired by Baba, Kishanchand Gajwani, Sohrabji Siganporia, Jal Dastur and Kishore Mistry came to Meherazad from Bombay. An International Tourist Fair was to open in Bombay on October 30th, and after reading about what Canadian lovers had done at the Montreal Expo, Siganporia was inspired to set up a similar booth at this fair. Baba gave his encouragement, and with the help of Dr. Ram Ginde, Jim Mistry, Nariman, Arnavaz and all the Bombay lovers, a booth was set up and a small booklet entitled "Who Is Meher Baba?" was printed, along with the Universal Message in different Indian languages.

Baba himself had perused the material to be included in the booklet. To the first question, "Who is Meher Baba?" He dictated this answer: "He is the essence of your very being which provokes you to ask this question."

Baba instructed them about this project and other work in Bombay and expressed His pleasure with Gajwani for his having arranged the three qawaali sessions in Meherazad in September. Baba asked him to prepare two more music programs with Jaipuri Qawaal for November and February. The group then departed.

Adi, Sarosh and Viloo were sent as Baba's representatives in support of the booth devoted to him. Prime Minister Indira Gandhi officially inaugurated the fair and then rode around it in an open jeep. When she neared the booth, Gajwani went up and drew her attention to the large sign above it which read: "AVATAR MEHER BABA THE AWAKENER." Amar Singh Saigal invited her to get down and have a closer look, but there was no time. Indira Gandhi folded her hands and bowed to Baba's portrait, as she rode by standing in the jeep.

57-IVOR NOVELLO

(Hollywood Film Star)

On Thursday, 19 October 1933, Quentin Tod brought Ivor Novello, 40, one of the most popular figures in British musical theater of the 1920s.  Novello was momentarily bemused. "There is no need to say anything," Baba told him. "For those who feel, there is no need for words and explanations. You have a good heart."

Novello rested his head on Baba's right hand and appeared overwhelmed. Quentin told Baba that Ivor's nature was so loving — he was always helping others despite his fame. Baba replied, "I am the Ancient One. He belongs to Me and has been working for Me all the while, though unconsciously. But one day he will know all."

Ivor Novello had invited Baba to Proscenium, a comedy in which he had a part. That evening Baba went with his group to see the play at the Globe Theater, and Novello gave Baba the box seats usually reserved for royalty. Honored by his presence, the entire cast bowed to Baba at the end of the show and Novello went to the box to receive Baba's embrace. Afterward, Novello introduced the actresses Zena Dare and her younger sister Phyllis to Baba, and extended a cordial invitation to stay at his country house whenever Baba was back in England. (Lord Meher-p-1565-1933)

58-IYER SUBRAHMANYA V.

On 9 February 1936, the politician Dr. S. Radhakrishnan came to see Baba with V. Subrahmanya Iyer, 67, the retired vice-chancellor of Mysore University and a professor of philosophy, and Professor Wadia, also of Mysore University. Radhakrishnan had come to know about Baba through Dr. Deshmukh in Nagpur and learned of Baba's presence in the area through Iyer, who was one of Baba's neighbors. Kalemama informed them that Meher Baba was now in seclusion and would not be granting interviews until his seclusion ended in June. They left. (Lord Meher-p-1698-1936)

59-JAGJIVAN RAM

(Ex. Cabinet Minister Govt. of India)

In 1960, on 4 th June, a cabinet minister named Jagjivan Ram had good fortune ti meet Beloved Meher Baba at Guruprasad and have love blessings. He was granted an interview with Baba. Ram was working for the upliftment of the so-called "depressed classes" (Harijans) and Baba assured him of his help. (Lord Meherp-4699-1960)

60-JAMES DOUGLAS

(Reporter from London Times news paper)

James Douglas, aged 64, a well-known writer and editor of the London Sunday Express (specializing in religious articles) came to see Meher Baba in London. A friend of Purdom, he prepared a lengthy questionnaire containing many "trick" questions meant to test Baba. He thought: "It would be much better to approach Meher Baba without prior intimation, as he will thereby be caught off guard and unable to prepare answers to my questions. I will expose him to the public, so that they may not be entrapped, and will be cautious of other so-called Indian mystics!"

He therefore appeared at Russell Road on Saturday, 9 April 1932 quite unexpectedly. Baba was on the first floor and was about to go out to visit the poorer sections of London. The trip was arranged already and cars were waiting. Baba wore English clothes when going out, but he would wear His Indian attire of a sadra and cotton pants at the Davys' home.

James Douglas was met Chanji at the door and was told that Baba was about to leave the house. He was requested to make an appointment and to come back the next day. But Douglas said, "I only want to see him for a minute."

Baba was informed and, surprisingly, He consented to see the reporter. Baba removed His trousers and sat in His room in a dressing gown and a blue silk scarf around His neck. When Douglas came up, He stood on the threshold, looking here and there. Chanji was with Baba to read the alphabet board and invited Douglas to enter. Something overcame Douglas. He seemed startled. With difficulty, he stepped inside toward Baba. He later related that it was as if an electric shock had penetrated his body. He was sweating and frequently wiped his brow. It was quite chilly at the time and strange to see someone perspiring.

Chanji invited him inside again. Douglas tried to speak, but his lips only quivered slightly.

He continued to try, and finally, wiping his forehead with a handkerchief, managed to ask, "What is happening to me? Can you tell me?"

Baba waved Douglas to a chair and said with a smile, "Don't be afraid. Come nearer and sit down." One smile from the Sun had Douglas into tremors and the man forgot himself.

He blurted out, "I feel a tremendous power here! Would you please tell me what is happening to me? From where is this power emanating and flowing?"

Baba again gestured for him to be seated in the chair before him, and James repeated, "What is happening to me? Won't you tell me?"

Baba responded with a grin, "I will show you later. Just be seated and tell Me if you wish to ask anything. I will explain everything to you, but first let Me know why you have come."

"I have come to have a long talk with you," he said, "and want clarification about some questions. But what is happening to me?"

"Don't be afraid," Baba spelled out to him. "Whatever you have to ask, you may do so without fear."

James Douglas felt comforted at these loving words from Baba and sat down. Then, after a few moments to settle himself, the interview began:

Douglas asked Baba, "Your birth name, please?"

"Merwan Sheriar Irani."

Douglas told Chanji, "Please don't read the board. Let me read it. I want to know directly what Baba has to say."

"Gladly," Chanji said and stepped out of the way.

Douglas tried to read the alphabet board. Baba moved His fingers slowly and pointed to each letter, spelling out "M. S. Irani."

"There is some confusion," said Douglas.

Chanji smilingly replied, "What is so confusing? Baba is spelling out his name 'M. S. Irani' on the board. Why are you suspicious?"

"Let me try again," he said.

Baba again repeated his name on the board, but the man could not read it. He stood up and moved behind Baba to try again, but he could not. Chanji again spoke out, "M. S. Irani."

Douglas said to Baba, "Please spell out some other sentence and let me read it."

Baba spelled, "My name is ..." Except for "my," the man's mind further failed to make anything out!

Chanji repeated from a distance, "My name is ..."

"How could you read his board from such a distance?" Douglas asked.

"I have practice," Chanji answered.

Douglas went and stood over by Chanji and tried again to read the alphabet board, but again failed.

Baba was very patiently moving His finger on the board to enable Douglas to read it, but as several minutes had passed, He now indicated to him, "Now, come to the point without wasting any more time on reading the board. There is only a little time left."

Douglas asked, "What is your caste?"

"I am an Irani."

"Where were you born?"

"In Poona."

"That means in India. How could you be an Irani?"

"My parents are Persians."

"Are you a Zoroastrian?"

"I was born to Zoroastrian parents."

"Which religion is considered highest today?"

"I consider all religions equal, as they are all different paths to realize the one God!"

"What's your opinion about the Christian religion?"

"Christ was a great soul who had realized God. So the religion derived from such a Divine Being must be great."

"What religion do you believe in?"

"I am beyond caste and religion. All religions belong to Me, but I have no special relationship with any caste, community or religion. I am one with God, and God is in everyone and everything."

"Are you a Mahatma?"

"What is the meaning of Mahatma? Tell me who is called a Mahatma? He who knows the Soul, the Truth, is called a Mahatma. I know the Truth; I have experience of the Truth. As you know and have experience of the city of London from being a resident of it over many years; so also, one who has not seen London, but wants to know it, will have to do so indirectly through a medium. But you live in London and have experience of it and know it well. For that, you do not have to resort to any outside means or medium. Do you follow Me?"

"Very well. Do you know Gandhi?"

"Yes, we met on board the Rajputana."

"Are you interested in politics?"

"I do not concern myself with any ethics or science, and so, also not with politics either, because in Self-knowledge, everything is included. He who has gained Self-knowledge has gained everything."

"What do you think of Gandhi?"

"He is a good soul and a profound student of the Gita, an aspirant for Self-knowledge."

"Are you a Divine Being?"

"I am merged in God in the way in which Buddha, Christ and Krishna were merged in and had become one with God.

In the same way, I live in God. As they knew God, so have I known Him! You yourself, and others, can know God in the same way and become one with Him!"

Douglas again wiped his face. His questions were being answered so quickly, and the answers were so concise and sharp-witted, he was stunned. After a while, Douglas continued:

"Is there evil in the world?"

"No, there is nothing like evil," Baba spelled out.

Douglas was momentarily astounded and asked, "What do you mean?"

"There is nothing else except bliss everywhere."

Douglas excitedly rose to his feet and began asking questions. "How could that be?"

"In Reality, that is the case," Baba assured him.

Regaining his composure, Douglas sat down and took out another questionnaire. "Then how do you explain the thousand and one evils in the world such as theft, murder, rape, treachery, dishonesty, immorality, torture? Can these wickednesses not be considered as evils?"

"Not necessarily."

"Then what do you call them? What are these to be considered?"

"They are more or less of a degree of good itself."

Douglas was struck by this idea and put his hand on his forehead. He had gotten up again, and he slowly sat down and said, "Oh, God! How wonderful! Why couldn't the poets and metaphysicians have explained it in such a straightforward and intelligible manner?" He sat thinking for a while.

Baba added, "As I have said, there is nothing but bliss in the world. What the world calls evil is an extremely lower aspect of good."

"Of course, of course," Douglas declared. "How easy! Why people cannot understand such a simple thing is surprising! Could you enlighten us as to when the world will understand this simple truth?"

"When its angle of vision has changed."

"But when?" Douglas asked.

"It is going on internally," Baba spelled out.

"Thank God! What do you say about the delicate and dangerous situation the world is facing? The world's financial condition today is such that countries are ready to strangle one another! Restlessness is everywhere. When will this calamitous period end? When will this situation improve?"

"Not until there is a change of heart."

"A change of heart? What a sovereign remedy! But when will the heart change?"

"It will start after about a year."

"Christ took three years to complete His work. How long will it be for you to complete your work?"

"Thirty-three years."

"What is your secret message or special advice?"

"The elimination of the ego."

Amazed, James went out to consult with his friend Sir Denison Ross   who had accompanied him and was waiting downstairs.

Returning, he said he had not yet begun to ask the questions he had really meant to ask. But before that, he again asked, "What is the mysterious power in this room, and from where is it emanating?"

"First, finish your questions," Baba said. "I will answer your query at the end."

"May I ask you another question?"

"Very willingly."

"You want to bring about the salvation of the world. Is there any Bible, Koran, or any other book, for which ..."

Baba interrupted, "I give counsel, and people take Me for a Master. But I do not attach any importance to book knowledge or to learning because I awaken the divinity hidden within (each one)."

"Do you believe in Buddha and his eight principles, and in that”

Again before he could finish, Baba replied, "Yes, any religion is a step on the path of progress toward Self-knowledge. You want to ask about Christ and Krishna, and the answer is the same."

This made Douglas stand up in surprise, and he gazed at Baba. Baba motioned to him to take his seat and to continue with his questions.

"Which God do you believe in? Of the Christians or “

"God is only one for all!"

"Which religion is closest to your accepted religion? That is, which religion is worthy of being accepted?"

"All religions are of God and, therefore, all are one."

"Is there a future life after this?" Douglas then asked.

Baba spelled out, "Yes, but only for the body. The soul is one. It never dies. It goes on taking one body after another, birth after birth. Unless it becomes one with God, it goes on taking rebirth."

"Is that nirvana?"

"Yes, but not at the cost of the soul's most pristine existence."

Douglas was about to ask something else when Baba stopped him, explaining, "The essence of existence of the soul is everlasting, and this Eternal Existence is one with God. Do not mistake this Eternal Existence, which is the soul, with the mind or the intellect. The soul makes the intellect work, but nothing controls the soul. The soul is absolutely independent. Intellect depends on the soul, but the soul is totally independent.

Intellect is the instrument of the soul. That is, it is a means to attain the Original, Eternal Existence and to experience it. Love, service, devotion and dedication make a person know God."

"From where did you acquire this knowledge? Before a question enters my mind, you know it!"

"All this I can understand quite easily."

"You did not answer my last question. How do you understand and know all this?"

Baba smiled. "Because I am one with Eternal Existence."

"What is your mission?" Douglas asked.

"To bring about a spiritual regeneration of mankind — of all, the East and the West," Baba spelled out.

"Have you the confidence to do that, especially in the West?"

"With as much confidence as that which you possess in thinking you are now talking to Me and believing that you are doing so! In truth, with this objective (the spiritual regeneration of mankind) I have taken this birth. This is the purpose of My taking human form."

"Who has appointed you to be the benefactor of mankind? Who has sent you?"

"I know it and it is My life."

Douglas was confused and found Baba's words incredible. Baba soothed him by lovingly stroking his back. Then he took the man's hand in his own and their eyes met. Both were quiet for a moment. Looking at him, Baba smiled, then Douglas exclaimed:

"Are you always like this — in bliss?"

"I enjoy eternal bliss. It is My constant life and existence."

"Why do I not enjoy that bliss?"

"Because in this illusion, you are not free of your ego and so cannot enjoy such bliss. For this reason, due to ignorance, the world is miserable. In truth, nothing exists on all four sides except bliss."

"Who is God? What is He? Is He a person or a power?"

"God is both in form and without form. He resides in every being and pervades every thing. In every aspect of life — in art, in literature, in beauty — He is!"

Hearing this, Douglas was about to ask Baba something, but Baba prevented him, indicating that he should first listen to what Baba wanted to say. Continuing, Baba spelled out, "From all this, you should not take it that I am a pantheist. This is not My opinion. In reality, I know everything through experience. You will understand all this when you know God. The highest experience is to know oneself.

It is the supreme experience. It means to be one with God!"

"Are you married?" Douglas then asked.

"I am beyond sex," Baba spelled out. "There is no difference for Me between a male and a female."

"How many hours do you sleep at night?"

"Three."

"What are your plans after this?"

"I will proceed to America after a short stay at the Devonshire ashram."

"Would you now answer my first question and put an end to my anxiety?"

Smiling, Baba gestured to Chanji to tell Douglas, "You are very lucky."

"It is your kindness."

Douglas rose to leave and again asked, "The answer to my first question: What is the reason for the power permeating this room? Where does it come from?"

"It is due to My presence."

James Douglas took Baba's hand in his and then pressed it to his eyes, and Baba blessed him. "I melted under his enchantment in spite of my caution," he later wrote. His heart was full of Baba's love, and after a respectful bow, he left. His "one-minute" meeting had stretched to a full hour. The next day, James Douglas published the entire interview on the front page of the London Sunday Express. It had a great impact on many readers and numerous people found out about Meher Baba from it.