13-KAIKOBAD FERAM DASTUR (Kaikobad)

13-KAIKOBAD FERAM DASTUR (Kaikobad)

Kaikobad Dastur was a member of the Zoroastrian priestly class. He lived in Baba’s mandali and it is said to have had an experience in 1946, he saw Baba everywhere, all the time, but not in physical form. Baba said, “This is not God-realization, it is only a glimpse.”

Many of his life time experiences of even of planes with Meher Baba are described as under:

In 1927, Sohrabji Desai had spoken to Meher Baba about his friend Kaikobad Feram Dastur, and Baba assured him that Kaikobad would eventually come to him. Kaikobad was then 38 years old and a practicing Parsi priest. At Sohrabji's urging, on 14 May, Kaikobad came from Navsari for Baba's darshan. Adi Sr. met him at the station and drove him to Meherabad.

During the personal interview, Baba explained to Kaikobad about the four states of God and four types of faith. "If you follow My instructions to the letter," Baba promised him, "you will not only understand what I am saying theoretically, but actually see certain things." Kaikobad was deeply impressed. Noticing that Kaikobad's leg was injured, Baba examined it. He advised him to apply ash from the dhuni to the wound, and gave him some for this purpose. After staying overnight in Masaji's quarters at the Post Office, Kaikobad returned to Navsari the next evening. From that time on, he visited Baba at Meherabad frequently.

Before Kaikobad knew about Baba, he and his family had once gone to Sakori for Upasni Maharaj's darshan. Out of the entire crowd, Maharaj pointed to them and said, "You all do not belong to me, but to Merwan. Go now." Kaikobad had now learned who "Merwan" was, and he and his family would place their lives at his feet.

Kaikobad had brought Sohrabji's young niece with him from Navsari, Mani Beheram Desai, eighteen, later nicknamed Mansari by Baba. This was her first meeting with the Master also. From the time Mansari first laid eyes on Baba at Meherabad, she surrendered totally to Him. Thus in May 1927, two more circle members began to enter the inner life with Meher Baba, and after some years both Kaikobad and Mansari became permanent residents at Meherabad.

Kaikobad Dastur had also been an occasional visitor since 1927. During the Pimpalgaon stay, he came to Baba again and said, "I and my family have surrendered to you. My every possession is at your feet." Baba accepted his offer of surrender. He instructed Kaikobad to return to Bombay, where he was employed as the head cashier of the Sun Life of Canada Insurance Company, sell everything except their clothing and wait for His call. Kaikobad left and faithfully carried out Baba's instructions.

In April 1944, after meeting Baba at Pimpalgaon, Kaikobad Dastur had returned to Bombay and sold all his possessions in the belief that Baba was about to call him and his family to join the ashram. He saw Baba again at the meeting in June 1944, and had been waiting for Baba's call ever since. But mentally, he was becoming exceedingly restless and running out of patience, and finally decided that he would not join Baba if he were not called by August.

Aware of Kaikobad's state, Baba sent him a telegram to come to Raipur on 26th July 1944. When he arrived, Baba instructed him to immediately return to Bombay, pack everything he owned and move to Meherabad.

Kaikobad and his family arrived in Meherabad on the night of the 31st July 1944, and remained for the rest of their lives. Kaikobad's wife, Jerbai, 46, and their three daughters, Meheru, 23, Gulu, 21, and Jalu, 18, were kept with the other women on Meherabad Hill, and Kaikobad stayed in lower Meherabad, in a small cottage that was built for him (on the spot of the old Bathroom Building). His son, Rattan, stayed in Ahmednagar and was given a job at the Sarosh Cinema operating the film projector.

In November 1949, Kaikobad had been staying on the Manjri Mafi property which had been purchased for Baba. But the well, and the huts for the companions, and an extension to the existing structure for the women, were still not completed. So on 16th January 1950, leaving Dehra Dun with the men and women companions, Baba shifted headquarters to the house of Jamnadas, the Mahant (head of a religious sect) in Manjri Mafi Village. Keki Desai was instructed to return to Delhi at this time.

There were many real life-time experiences of Kaikobad with Meher Baba. Some of interesting and illustrative incidents are elaborated as under.

Once when the mandali were sitting with Baba in Hyderabad, Ghani said something which infuriated Baba. Baba asked Kaikobad, "Would you do as I tell you?"

"It is the sole reason I've joined you," Kaikobad replied earnestly.

"Then give Ghani a good hard slap!"

Kaikobad looked momentarily puzzled and said, "But Ghani is one of your oldest mandali ... How can I slap him?"

Baba's anger turned on him: "Do you know who I am? By saying this you have not slapped Ghani, you have slapped Me!"

"When did I slap you, Baba?"

"By failing to carry out My order, you have given Me a sharp slap! Had you really slapped Me though, it would not have pained Me as much as your disobedience. By disobeying Me you have wounded My heart so deeply, the pain will always be there and will never go away.

"You repeat My name 100,000 times a day, but what value does your penance and prayers have when you don't value My words? Before My order, nothing is superior! And if you don't realize that, thousands of years of repetition of My name will not help you. What is the use of your staying with Me?"

Baba then walked away, leaving Kaikobad red in the face and restless inside. Baba soon returned, and Kaikobad inquired, "If I had slapped Ghani, how much it would have pained him. Are we not to consider the feelings of others?"

Baba snapped, "That means you consider his feelings and your own superior to My order?" Turning to Ghani, Baba asked, "Would you have felt bad about it?"

Catching Baba's drift, Ghani replied, "No, I would not have felt bad in the least, but I feel very bad about Kaikobad's disobedience to you."

Kaikobad said, "I will slap him now."

But Baba gestured, "What's the use? The time has gone. You thought of Ghani's pain, but not of mine. You wanted to be in his good graces, but he himself has disapproved of your attitude."

Addressing the men, Baba made these remarks: "If you want to be in the good graces of the world, you cannot live for Me. But if you try to stay in My good books, the world will fall at your feet."

Turning to Adi Sr., Baba asked, "Would you give Ghani a slap with your sandal?" Adi replied, "Baba, if you were to ask me to give him ten slaps, I may give him 12!"

"That's the spirit!" Baba motioned.

"Did you hear what he said, Kaikobad?" And Kaikobad nodded glumly. Later Baba took him aside, discussed the matter with him sweetly and caressed him, and Kaikobad wept.

Kaikobad said: about Baba:  "I only know from the bottom of my heart that my dear Baba was God, he is God and he will be God forever. I see him as God, I honor him as God, and I love him as God, because he is God."

As Kaikobad was doing his repetition of Baba's name during Baba's explanation, Baba asked him caustically, "Have I called you here to go on and on with your repetition or to listen to what I am saying? Servants should discard their inclinations and pleasure; then alone can they be true servants!"

Baba also appreciated the faith and love of Kaikobad, and remarked that Kaikobad had told Him that he had that zalak. "So, when Kaikobad gives anything to Baba, he thinks that he has given it to God." Baba explained that in most cases, such zalak is enough to make one unaware of bodily consciousness for years. To illustrate, Baba asked Minoo Kharas to tell the story of Bayazid and the ants, which he did. )

Asking Kaikobad to pray for him, Baba urged him, "Pray to God to forgive Me for whatever I have just said, and all you [mandali] join in the prayer. It is your good fortune that you are joining Me in this prayer; anyhow, luck or no luck put your hearts in it!"

In year 1953, Baba had given discourse because the mandali themselves were feeling fed up. Everyone was feeling tired, but had said nothing in complaint. Only Kaikobad, who once had a glimpse of the divine light in Dehra Dun, was happy. When it happened, Kaikobad was so dazed that he lost body consciousness and fell down. When he regained consciousness, he found he had hurt his leg. After this first glimpse, he occasionally had a few more, when he would again lose consciousness and fall down.

For seven days, from 25–31 August 1953, Baba would come every night to the mandali's quarters and bow down to each of the men after they had repeated God's name seven times as they had done before during the first week of August. Kaikobad continued his duty of repeating Baba's name 100,000 times a day, as he had been doing for years. On 31st August, he had another "glimpse" of Baba's divinity and almost fainted.

Kaikobad described seeing an inexpressibly bright light with Baba in the midst and "worlds" emerging from the light. "Now I know what you are," he told Baba, "and there is no greater happiness to wish for!"

Baba commented to the mandali, "If it wasn't for My physical presence near him, he could not have retained his body."

In Jal Villa, Baba worked daily with Kaikobad for hours at a time. No one could see inside, as the door was kept tightly shut; but outside, Kaikobad's voice could be heard repeating God's names (such as Ya Yezdan, Beloved God, Paramatma, Ahuramazda, Parabrahma, Allah, God Almighty, Khuda). Years later, the mandali found out that Kaikobad would keep his foot on a stool and continue repeating God's name one after another; and every time he did so, Baba would bow His head, touching Kaikobad's foot with His forehead. It would go on for hours on end. Thousands of times Baba would bow to the name of God.

In 1955, referring to Kaikobad, Baba said:

He has been with Me for the last several years; he has a family and has dedicated everything to Me. He is from the Parsi priest class. His family is staying on Meherabad Hill. He says nothing now belongs to him, everything is Baba's. I have accepted his dedication. He is always with Me wherever I go. For twelve years he has been with Me. Since that time, until today, he is daily taking My name 100,000 times in 24 hours. My name has become his very breath.

In 1946, on Meherabad Hill, he had a glimpse of My divinity. Throughout all the journeys and stays at different places, he continued the nam japa. Once on 31 August 1953, he was on the point of falling down and dropping his body. His experiences continue even now. "I can see Baba whenever I want to see him," he says. I am so infinite that even I cannot fathom My own divinity! Recently in Satara, Kaikobad wept. He told Me: "I understand your divinity. Why do you ask Me to put My hand on your head? I realize what you are. I see you as God Personified and have experiences of it. How (bad) I feel about this!" I told him to obey Me implicitly. This is the only thing required. If you are asked to kick Me, you should do it sincerely. This is My order.

Kaikobad has to go on and on, to continue on the Path. He sees glimpses of Me, and though it is no delusion, it is not Union either, which is much higher. I do not know anything about what Kaikobad experiences. Suppose Kaikobad is now sleeping in a dark room. Suddenly, whenever he wishes, he says, the whole room is full of light. It is not My miracle. I Myself cannot do it. I know one thing: I am everywhere and in everything. But I cannot do this. Kaikobad sees Me in that light. Even the brilliance of the sun is as nothing compared to the light in the room. Kaikobad says it is My grace that he sees all that. But I say it is his faith and love which produce it. We shall see about God-realization

You have come here for My Sahavas, so I must tell you all that I want to tell you. Every day I bow down to Kaikobad because he sees Baba as Baba ought to be seen. He takes My darshan as much as it can be taken. Therefore, I put My head on his feet. When I bow down to the mandali, to the poor, to the sadhus, the lepers, and so forth, this bowing down is no show; neither is it an expression of humility. I do it out of My love for humanity.

I must tell you everything of My ways. Try to grasp what I say. Whenever I go out on mast and other tours for My own work and for congregations like this, I ask Kaikobad to put his hand on My head and bless Me.

In Satara, Kaikobad wept. He told Me: "I understand your divinity. Why do you ask Me to put My hand on your head? I realize what you are. I see you as God Personified and have experiences of it. How (bad) I feel about this!" I told him to obey Me implicitly. This is the only thing required. If you are asked to kick Me, you should do it sincerely. This is My order.

During this seclusion, Baba was working with Kaikobad in Jal Villa for hours on end. Kaikobad would continually repeat the seven names of God, and every time he said them, Baba would bow to him seven times. Even Kaikobad had not the faintest notion of what work Baba was doing. No one can grasp the significance of his Universal work.

On Sunday, 19th February 1956, Baba left Jal Villa and again began staying at Grafton with the women mandali. There he continued to remain in seclusion and did not see anyone or go out of the house. He broke His fast the next day, and again, from the 22nd, moved back to Jal Villa for his seclusion work. He worked with Kaikobad for two days in seclusion and then again returned to Grafton, where His 62nd birthday was celebrated privately with the women mandali, 25th February.

When Saint Kirpal Singh asked spiritual experiences, Baba taking his hand, led him to Kaikobad’s room, telling him, "You are now going to hear something from an old man about inner experiences." Baba sat on Kaikobad's bed and asked Kirpal Singh to sit nearby.

Baba explained to Kirpal Singh, “Kaikobad is my old lover and has had many inner experiences. Sometimes he tells Me about them, but I do not understand. Perhaps you will understand what Kaikobad has to say."

Baba permitted Kaikobad to relate all that he had experienced, requesting Kirpal Singh to hear him patiently, since Kaikobad would speak in a mixture of Hindi and Gujarati, because he did not know Hindi well.

Kirpal Singh told Kaikobad, "I am very happy to see you. I have heard that you have had many experiences. Would you please tell me what experiences you have had?"

"Experiences?" Kaikobad said. "How can I explain to you about the experiences? I will tell you in a nutshell. Do you see the sun?"

"Yes, I see it," said Kirpal Singh.

"How bright is it?"

"It is so bright that it gives light to the whole world."

"The light of the sun is very bright to you," said Kaikobad. "But I see also the light in my heart. It is so bright that the light of hundreds of suns are nothing before this light which I see within. I lose my consciousness, and I fall down."

The saint was highly impressed. He said, "It is because of the grace of Baba that you are having these experiences. Such experiences could only be had with Baba's blessing! I have had no such experiences!"

Another incident during this time in Satara concerned Kaikobad. A former Parsi priest, Kaikobad was a fastidious person. He had to have his meals and tea at a certain time each day, and would not tolerate a delay. He used to have lunch at precisely 11:00 A.M. Once, when he went to the kitchen to eat, the rice needed to cook for another five minutes. But, unwilling to wait, Kaikobad began eating it as it was. Baba was at Rosewood, but He suddenly appeared at Judge's bungalow and walked to the kitchen where he found Kaikobad eating. He pressed the rice and found it half-cooked. He forbade Kaikobad to eat it. By this time, the rest of the rice was cooked and ready. Baba served it to Kaikobad and then directed Bhau and Aloba to eat the remainder of the uncooked rice. He forbade Kaikobad to eat it. By this time, the rest of the rice was cooked and ready. Baba served it to Kaikobad and then directed Bhau and Aloba to eat the remainder of the uncooked rice.

Once, after finishing His work with Kaikobad, Baba remarked that maya had greatly impeded  At Baba's request, Kaikobad told the mandali what had happened: "When Baba was about to commence His work, my legs became cramped and I had no strength left either to stand or sit down. I felt weak, as if I were going to pass out. But when Baba massaged my legs for five minutes, I felt normal again and Baba could begin His work."

Baba commented, "Despite maya's obstruction, My work was done very successfully."

On the 7th November 1956, in the presence of all the men mandali, Baba directed Kaikobad to stand before him and offer penance to God on behalf of the mandali. Kaikobad prayed to God for 100 percent successful completion of Baba's work. Then, taking Kaikobad's hand in his own, Baba kissed it and brought it to his forehead. Taking his seat, he distributed prasad of mixed rice and dal to the mandali. Only after he had finished giving each his portion did he himself take food and thus break his fast. But Baba's health was still not good. Baba continued to work with Kaikobad every morning. As soon as Baba entered Kaikobad's room, he would clap, which meant there was to be absolute silence for half an hour. Kaikobad later told the others that during this time Baba would hold his hand and both would sit silently facing each other. When Baba was finished at 9:00 A.M., the men gathered in mandali hall. One poor man was brought. While the man stood on a stool, Baba, sitting before him, would wash his feet, wipe them dry, put his head on them and give him prasad. As soon as this was done and the floor cleaned, the doors of the hall would be closed. All would stand with Baba, who held Kaikobad's hand.

On 18th October 1959, Hoshang asked about the difference between seeing God physically and seeing God on the sixth plane. Baba explained, but ended by stating: "To see God is not the final aim. The aim is to be One with Him."

Baba called Kaikobad and asked him to narrate his visions and experiences. Kaikobad said: "First, I saw God, and when I compared it to Baba, Baba did not look like Him. Then I saw the Father of all Fathers — Ahuramazda — and Baba simultaneously. I became convinced that Baba is God. Thereafter, I started seeing Baba in an aura of light. To see Baba in a beam of light comes from within me, and I can do it at anytime." Baba explained that Kaikobad was an example of one who sees God physically.

Baba stated: "Kaikobad, after leaving this body, will be released from the cycle of births. Therefore, he will not require another form. Now, suppose Kaikobad is not a member of My circle and Baidul is. Kaikobad has experiences, while Baidul does not. (Nevertheless), Baidul, being a member of My circle, enjoys the higher position."

Continuing, Baba explained: "The men and women of my mandali will have union with God. They will get the experience of eternal bliss, eternal knowledge and eternal power, while Kaikobad shall only be released from the cycle of births; that is, if he were not a member of my mandali."

Baba said, “You have come here for My sahavas, so I must tell you all that I want to tell you. Every day I bow down to Kaikobad because He sees Baba as Baba ought to be seen. He takes My darshan as much as it can be taken. Therefore, I put My head on his feet. When I bow down to the mandali, to the poor, to the sadhus, the lepers, and so forth, this bowing down is no show; neither is it an expression of humility. I do it out of My `love for humanity.

I must tell you everything of My ways. Try to grasp what I say. Whenever I go out on mast and other tours for My own work and for congregations like this, I ask Kaikobad to put his hand on My head and bless Me.

Kaikobad continued his duty of repeating Baba's name 100,000 times a day, as he had been doing for years. On 31st August, he had another "glimpse" of Baba's divinity and almost fainted. Kaikobad described seeing an inexpressibly bright light with Baba in the midst and "worlds" emerging from the light. "Now I know what you are," he told Baba, "and there is no greater happiness to wish for!"

Baba said, “Kaikobad is a new disciple, but his love and faith are unique. He repeats My name 100,000 times a day. The service which he is now rendering would not have been rendered even by Me.

On 3 September 1959, Baba mentioned to Kenmore how tired He felt: "Formerly I used to go to Kaikobad's room to work for five minutes. It used to exhaust Me. I thought that the pressure was too much for my body and it would not bear it. But now, instead of five minutes, I work for half an hour. Only Kaikobad can help Me in that work. Today, Kaikobad, too, could not tolerate the unbearable condition. Kaikobad told Me that he was awfully tired."

Kaikobad interjected, "Baba's work is unspeakable and intolerable (for Me). Today, I informed Baba that I was unable to help him for more than half an hour."

Baba continued:

Until the end of October 1959, is the time for My Universal work. Whatever work was done at Poona is nothing compared to what I am doing now? Although the mandali cannot understand this work, I tell you the work has its own importance. See how it tires Me.

Only when I return from Kaikobad's room after finishing My work do the mandali have an opportunity to see and feel My tiredness, and experience My weak state of health. I find it difficult even to open My eyes or move My body. Yet, in this terrible state of health, I play with the mandali and express My happiness. At first, I appear burdened by the tremendous pressure of work, but after some time people see My face look cheerful. Today, I was playing [cards] and immediately I stopped the play and went inside. All of it is related to My work.

In 1960, Kaikobad had come from Meherabad and Baba turned to him and said, "I want you to tell Irwin Luck what your experience is. Both of you sit on the bench outside." Irwin did not know who Kaikobad was but had been feeling sorry for him as he looked so emaciated.

Kaikobad revealed to him: "Even in a dark room, sometimes such brilliant light comes out of me that if I wanted to I could even read a newspaper from it. I see planets, solar systems and worlds revolving within my own being. Sometimes I see a light which is more brilliant than any sun could ever be. In that light I see Baba's face; it comes out of that light. I can see Baba physically even when he is not there. But it is easier to see God in his impersonal form than his physical form."

Ramarao was a poor relative of Maharani Shantadevi who was employed to oversee the servants at Guruprasad. A year earlier, his wife had had a baby girl who died. The wife entreated Baba to grant her the boon of another child and Baba promised he would. The mother had delivered another baby girl two weeks before, but the doctors were at their wits end trying to keep the child alive. The baby had been shifted from one hospital to another three times. Sometimes she would be much better, and sometimes it seemed as if she were about to pass away. The mother again entreated Baba to keep her baby alive. Baba replied that he did not use his powers, and so could do nothing in the matter. But on 25th May, he instructed Eruch to telephone Adi to deliver a message to Kaikobad on Meherabad Hill to pray hard for the recovery of the child. Kaikobad should beseech God through his prayers to save the child. (Baba also asked Kaikobad to pray that the program to be held at Guruprasad on the 26th — when Baba would distribute prizes to different cricket teams — would be a success.)

Baba later explained, "When Kaikobad prays earnestly, the baby feels better, but as soon as he dozes off, its condition deteriorates! Kaikobad's request to God to keep the baby alive is nothing but his request to Me to keep it alive."

In 1966, Kaikobad's eldest daughter, Meheru, died on Meherabad Hill after suffering very severe burns in a cooking fire accident. She was 44. While dying, Baba's name was continuously on her lips. Baba remarked, "Meheru has come to Me and is freed forever from the rounds of births and deaths."

Kaikobad was in Meherazad and did not go to Meherabad. So Baba sent Eruch to console his family. Kaikobad's wife, Jerbai, was elated that Kaikobad had not come. Jerbai said, "I was afraid he would leave Baba's work to come. I am glad that he didn't. Why should we worry when Meheru has gone to Baba?" This is an example of how Baba's Love and Truth lived in his close lovers. Neither parent was saddened by the passing of their daughter.

On 12th September 1967, Baba's Universal work suffered a grievous setback. At night while Kaikobad was walking on the verandah, an ant bit him on the foot. Kaikobad's eyesight was poor, and thinking it was a scorpion he shook his leg so hard that he fell down and broke his thigh bone. Don went to Meherazad that night to examine him, and the next morning he was taken to Booth Hospital by ambulance, where he was X-rayed and admitted. Sidhu came from Meherabad to help look after him.

Later that day, Baba did something extraordinary — He shed tears! He explained, "I am not crying about Kaikobad, but I feel sorry for My work. Kaikobad does not have the least notion what work I am doing! But by working with him in seclusion, My Universal work is carried out much easier."

On the 15th, Kaikobad was operated upon by Dr. Melvin Brieseman and a pin was inserted into his femur and hip.  Don was present for the operation. Adi went to Meherazad that day and Baba dictated points for a circular (issued on 1st October). After Kaikobad's departure, Baba stopped His morning seclusion work, but His afternoon work went on continuously for the next year and a half, until the 30th of January 1969.

On 5th October 1967, after a three-week stay in Booth Hospital, Kaikobad was brought back to Meherazad, accompanied by Dr. Alu Khambatta, who had been caring for him, along with Dr. Brieseman. As Baba wished, Alu remained in Meherazad for a year to nurse Kaikobad, who was still unable to walk. Kaikobad had had a rough time in the hospital (aggravated by his son, who had come to Ahmednagar and acted badly towards him and the mandali). Kaikobad had been feeling very sad and depressed, and his spirits were greatly lifted to be back home in Baba's company once again. On the 7th, Padri brought Kaikobad's wife and daughters to see Baba and him. That same day, Dr. Brieseman, along with his family and some friends, went on a picnic to Happy Valley, and while there, they were severely stung by a swarm of bees. They were taken to Meherazad, where Goher, Don and the mandali rendered them emergency treatment.

Because of Kaikobad's absence, there had been a break in Baba's seclusion work, but upon his return, the momentum of Baba's work again intensified. Kaikobad would be brought in a wheelchair to the hall, where Baba would work with him alone. Kaikobad would continuously repeat the seven names of God, while seated in the wheelchair.

Kaikobad could not stand on a stool anymore as before, so Baba would now touch his shoulders instead of his feet, as he repeated each name of God. Baba would do this daily for three hours in the morning and again for half an hour in the afternoon, besides working alone in his room for 20 minutes each day.

Because of Kaikobad's absence, there had been a break in Baba's seclusion work, but upon his return the momentum of Baba's work again intensified. Kaikobad would be brought in a wheelchair to the hall, where Baba would work with him alone. Kaikobad would continuously repeat the seven names of God, while seated in the wheelchair.

Kaikobad could not stand on a stool anymore as before, so Baba would now touch his shoulders instead of his feet, as he repeated each name of God. Baba would do this daily for three hours in the morning and again for half an hour in the afternoon, besides working alone in his room for 20 minutes each day.

Baba had originally stated that He would be working in seclusion with Kaikobad for four months, until the 21st of November 1967, but because there had been a break in His work (due to Kaikobad's accident); Baba extended the period of His seclusion work by three months.

Kaikobad returned from the hospital on 29th December 1967. The doctors had been unable to reinsert the steel pin, and Kaikobad had to remain bedridden or be lifted into a wheelchair. Although Kaikobad was back at Meherazad, Baba did not work with him again and continued working alone.

Many years before Baba had foretold: "There will be fourteen with Me at the end." Significantly, there were fourteen individuals with him at Meherazad at this particular time, namely the six women: Mehera, Mani, Naja, Goher, Meheru and Rano. The eight men were Eruch, Pendu, Baidul, Kaka, Kaikobad, Aloba, Bhau and Francis.

Once Baba asked everyone, ‘How do you know that I am God?” Kaikobad said, “I know from my bottom of the heart that my dear Baba was God, He is God and He will be God forever. I honor Him as God; I love Him as God, because He is God.”

In 1946, on Meherabad Hill, he had a glimpse of My divinity. Throughout all the journeys and stays at different places, he continued the nam japa. Once on 31st August 1953, he was on the point of falling down and dropping his body. His experiences continue even now. "I can see Baba whenever I want to see Him," he says. I am so infinite that even I cannot fathom my own divinity!